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	<title>Comments on: Angering Database Gods</title>
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		<title>By: Fredrik Holmström</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fredrik Holmström</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 08:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very nice presentation, but what program did you use to create the slides?
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		<title>By: Eran Galperin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eran Galperin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 18:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very nice presentation! Are there are complementary notes?
ORM&#039;s are a known a painful problem in PHP (and probably other languages). They simply fail at table relationships - fetching information spread between several tables in a reasonable manner is beyond them.
I have submitted a Zend Framework proposal for a half-and-half solution to abstract some of the query composition process but its not an ORM of any kind (though it integrates with Zend_Db_Table). It can be seen here - http://framework.zend.com/wiki/display/ZFPROP/Zend_Db_Gateway
(No relation to the Gateway pattern)
I have since upgraded it to include magic inflection of many-to-many rules, and I will be writing about it soon on my blog as part of series of articles on Models in the Zend Framework.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nice presentation! Are there are complementary notes?<br />
ORM&#8217;s are a known a painful problem in PHP (and probably other languages). They simply fail at table relationships &#8211; fetching information spread between several tables in a reasonable manner is beyond them.<br />
I have submitted a Zend Framework proposal for a half-and-half solution to abstract some of the query composition process but its not an ORM of any kind (though it integrates with Zend_Db_Table). It can be seen here &#8211; <a href="http://framework.zend.com/wiki/display/ZFPROP/Zend_Db_Gateway" rel="nofollow">http://framework.zend.com/wiki/display/ZFPROP/Zend_Db_Gateway</a><br />
(No relation to the Gateway pattern)<br />
I have since upgraded it to include magic inflection of many-to-many rules, and I will be writing about it soon on my blog as part of series of articles on Models in the Zend Framework.</p>
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